work out there in the world. >> how significant is this group these days? it sounds like they don't have anywhere near the size of other similar organizations in the research we did fairly small staff. they are not the research outlet they once were. >> no. it doesn't seem to be the case. there are some news reports about the organization having some financial problems. as a journalist, we don't control how we get, you know, internal secret fundraising documents. you know, it's something that's provided to us, you know, and the story is there and wend it was here, we go with it. the organization is not as influential as it once was but it is still out there, very much trying to influence the debate. you know, you are seeing tens of thousands of people relating their op-eds on sites like forbes and other places, going on public radio, as i mentioned, and, you know, if this story helps even a franktion of those people -- fraction of those people get a better since of where this organization is coming from, that matters.